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Father and Son

Data

(1) Thom 61:3
(2) 2Q: Luke 10:22 = Matt 11:27
(3a) John 3:35
(3b) John 13:3a

 

Texts

(1) Thom 61:3

/61:1/ Jesus said, "Two will recline on a couch; one will die, one will live." /2/ Salome said, "Who are you, mister? You have climbed onto my couch and eaten from my table as if you are from someone." /3/ Jesus said to her, "I am the one who comes from what is whole. I was granted from the things of my Father." /4/"I am your disciple." /5/"For this reason I say, if one is (whole), one will be filled with light, but if one is divided, one will be filled with darkness." [Complete Gospels]

 

(2) 2Q: Luke 10:22 = Matt 11:27

Luke 10:22
All things have been handed over to me by my Father; and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

= Matt 11:27
All things have been handed over to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

 

(3) Gospel of John

(3a) John 3:35

The Father loves the Son and has placed all things in his hands.

(3b) John 13:3a

/13:1/ Now before the festival of the Passover, Jesus knew that his hour had come to depart from this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end. /2/ The devil had already put it into the heart of Judas son of Simon Iscariot to betray him. And during supper /3/ Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going to God, /4/ got up from the table, took off his outer robe, and tied a towel around himself.

 

Notes

John Dominic Crossan

Item: 45
Stratum: I (30-60 CE)
Attestation: Triple
Historicity: -
Common Sayings Tradition: Yes

 

IQP

The International Q Project reconstructs the original Q saying as follows:

Everything has been entrusted to me by my Father,
and no one knows the Son except the Father,
nor [does anyone know] the Father except the Son,
and to whomever the Son chooses to reveal him.

 

Jesus Seminar

Text

Item

 Source

JS Mtg

%Red

%Pink

%Gray

%Black

W Avg

Color
Thom 61:3
331
Q, T
89Tor
0
0
20
80
0.07
Black
Luke 10:22
331
Q, T
89Tor
0
4
11
85
0.06
Black
Matt 11:27
331
Q, T
89Tor
0
4
11
85
0.06
Black
John 3:35
331
Q, T
89Tor
0
0
11
89
0.04
Black
John 13:3a
331
Q, T
89Tor
0
0
15
85
0.05
Black

From The Five Gospels (page 182):

This language is more typical of the Fourth Gospel (3:35; 7:29; 13:3) than it is of anything attributed to Jesus in the synoptic gospels. Christian claims made on Jesus' behalf after his death led to this chain of privileged information—Father to son to disciple. The same language is faintly echoed in Thom 61:3. In all of its versions it was accorded a black designation.

 

Samuel T. Lachs

Lachs [Rabbinic Commentary on the New Testament, 279] notes that "Lord of heaven and earth" is similar to the frequent expression in rabbinic Hebrew: ribono shel olam, 'lord of the world.'

He also notes the anti-Christian polemic:

R. Johanan said: 'From the time of the destruction of the Temple prophecy was taken from prophets and given to children and fools.' (B. BB. 12b)

 

Gerd Luedemann

Luedemann [Jesus, 330f] invokes the classic description from K. Hase of this passage as a "thunderbolt from the Johannine heavens." He notes the typically Johannine reference to mutual knowledge between Father and Son, and the absolute use of "Son" as a designation for Jesus. In dismissing the saying's authenticity, Luedemann also notes the similarity to ideas in the post-Easter commissioning scene at Matt 28:18, "All authority has been given to me ..."

 

 

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